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Dyson spheres can only be built in one type of star system, study finds

By T.K. Randall
April 16, 2025 · Comment icon 19 comments
Dyson Sphere
Concept art of a Dyson sphere under construction. Image Credit: CC BY-SA 4.0 Wiki / LoveEmployee
The megastructure first proposed by physicist Freeman Dyson may be possible, but with very specific limitations.
More than 50 years ago, Dyson proposed the possibility that a sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial race might be able to completely surround a star with a huge spherical structure and then harness the entirety of that star's energy.

Such a structure would be incomprehensibly large - akin to putting together something much larger than the Death Star from Star Wars - and with the added complexity of building it around a stellar body.

While the idea has been explored by scientists for years, the biggest problem with such a structure - aside from the tremendous amount of time and resources needed to build one - would be actually keeping it tethered in place.

Now, though, a new study headed up by Colin McInnes - an engineer at the University of Glasgow - has potentially found a solution to this and it is all to do with building the Dyson sphere around a star in a binary star system (one with two stars) as oppose to around a single, solitary star.
He found that under very specific circumstances - where the binary system has one star that is much smaller than the other - a stable Dyson sphere could be constructed around the smaller star and be held in place with its movement around the larger star acting as a gravitational anchor.

The smaller star would need to be ten times smaller than its partner and the sphere itself would also have to be very thin, otherwise its own gravity would mess up the balance.

But while this could theoretically make such a structure plausible, it doesn't take into account engineering concerns such as the stresses placed on its outer shell.

Of course, if an advanced alien civilization built something like this, they may have been able to solve these types of issues.

Ultimately, though, without actually finding one of these somewhere out in space, we may never know for sure whether or not a Dyson sphere could ever actually be built in practice.

Source: Live Science | Comments (19)




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Comment icon #10 Posted by Ell 8 days ago
That is much better. Well done.   However, most energy conversion schemes are only about thirty per cent efficient. Say in a coal fired power station.
Comment icon #11 Posted by Oniomancer 8 days ago
You're assuming that is the harder option in one breath, (while at the same time invoking equally outlandish technologies) then equating it to stone-age tech in the next. But yes, a hypothetical civilization capable of building a Dyson sphere in the first place isn't exactly bound by conventional notions of difficulty. The point of full (or nearly full ATCMB) utilization is not one of miserliness any more than not leaving all your doors and windows open in the middle of winter is. Rather it's maximizing utility. All that energy is going off into space every second. Why let it if you have the m... [More]
Comment icon #12 Posted by Oniomancer 8 days ago
Yes, but those are not exactly models of efficiency.
Comment icon #13 Posted by Ell 8 days ago
It is the principle.   The most we may achieve, I expect, is to build some space habitats, say one per century. Such space habitats, however, will not hang around here for a long time. They will move out into the Milky Way; slowly, as generation starships. Unless a lighter and therefore faster option is chosen.   As for Dyson spheres, I expect that the best that may be realized is a swarm of such space habitats. If life in such habitats is at all feasible and can as such endure for thousands of years? It is unlikely that such a swarm will gather more energy from a star than the Earth receive... [More]
Comment icon #14 Posted by josellama2000 8 days ago
Ha ha, too naive for me to discuss, but i will do an effort. Ha ha. Let’s talk hydrogen. The Sun fuses 600 million tons per second, and we get a tiny fraction of that radiated outward. But the real energy bonanza? Controlled fusion—taking hydrogen straight from the source (or a gas giant buffet), and fusing it with none of the stellar mess, gravity wells, or orbital logistics. Why go full space-industrial-age when you can do boutique-scale stellar alchemy? The Dyson Sphere is the energy equivalent of building a continent-sized net to catch fireflies—sure, it collects light, but at what c... [More]
Comment icon #15 Posted by Oniomancer 8 days ago
Curious that you see it as such a cost/benefit non-starter when everyone else talks like it's the ultimate option for a superciv to shoot for. Are they all naive? Gas giants are certainly an easy option, if rather finite for long-term needs. I'm interested though in how exactly one suctions hydrogen out of an active star?
Comment icon #16 Posted by josellama2000 7 days ago
Yeah sure. Next time please try to think before attempting to refute, that way i will be able to appreciate a good discussion. Deflections are not valid arguments, and mostly out-of-context. They don't invalidate my saying, neither validate yours. Finding my arguments as something curious or harnessing a gas giant have nothing to do with the naivety concept of a Dyson Sphere, Why did not you explain the concept of a Type II civilization as a requirement—as if any advanced species must harness solar radiation directly, rather than pursue more elegant and efficient alternatives? Hopefully that... [More]
Comment icon #17 Posted by Oniomancer 7 days ago
This from someone whose "refutation" is riddled with assumptions. You're presupposing something that's almost every bit as technically difficult as building a Dyson sphere and handwaving it like it's nothing. Siphoning hydrogen from a gas giant for fusion OTOH is small potatoes  and not in keeping with the energy harnessing capabilities of a hypothetical type II civilization. That's more in line with one of Sagan's intermediate steps.  More to the point, does a civilization using your methodology meet the definition of a type? In either scale it isn't a requirement and I never said it was ex... [More]
Comment icon #18 Posted by josellama2000 7 days ago
still using naive concepts? without worry to explain why it is a requirement for an advanced civilization to necessary harness the energy of its star radiation? If you want to limit your imagination, then it is a personal choice, but farther from any reasonable speculation.   You said it yourself, that hydrogen can be harvest from a gas giant. So, you proved yourself wrong.   Ha ha, now using argumentum ad hominem, but in a naive way. Good job. Finally, i will ever try to manage a discussion based on reasoning, not on terms and jargon that i don't understand. That kind of approach is not rea... [More]
Comment icon #19 Posted by Oniomancer 7 days ago
I'm not the one who set the standard. You seem bound and determined to discount a megastructural approach entirely. This is not suggestive of a broad imagination. We're not talking about obtaining the hydrogen but the use thereof. (and the should've been "definition of a type II" btw.) "Oh kettle, thou art black!" exclaimed the pot. You've been using PABST (passive-aggressive bull**** tactics) and talking down to your opponents since you're first post. Physician. heal thyself. And that was a perfectly valid question, one I couldn't help but notice you chose to ignore in favor of more denigrati... [More]


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